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Poster: merryjerry1 Date: Jan 25, 2014 8:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Pet' eras,years, or tours that are somewhat overlooked

I got Reade's back on that 7/26/72 Dark Star, but while I do think Donna did contribute some good harmonizin' in the post-hiatus years (Wharf Rat, etc), that 'Comes a Time' is evidence for the judge that only Jerry was ever needed to sing that one.

indeed, jerlouvis, summer '72 is what I like to call the hinterlands of '72 but, turn some stones, and you'll find greatness. And definitely 8/20--monstrous PITB and TOO, and a very good Truckin'. Somewhere in the 16th minute that TOO features what I think is Phil quoting Duane Allman's 'Little Martha'. It is later jammed on by the whole band. Oh, and this TOO contains an exceptional 'Tiger Jam' (Phil phans take note). Deserves more recognition. Great call!

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 26, 2014 12:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Pet' eras,years, or tours that are somewhat overlooked

7/17/76 is one '76 version of Comes a Time that Donna sits out, proving that she really wasn't needed for that song...

Fond as I am of the 7/26/72 Dark Star, it is a pretty laid-back version and the other summer '72 versions are more exciting. You don't have to turn too many stones in '72 to find greatness, though!

Phil's definitely very active in the 8/20/72 Other One. Although I didn't hear the Little Martha quote anywhere.

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Poster: merryjerry1 Date: Jan 26, 2014 1:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Pet' eras,years, or tours that are somewhat overlooked

Yeah, I see that that 7/17/76 'Comes a Time' currently holds the third place over at headyversion.com, so it's certainly a fan fave.

As for that 8/20/72 TOO...

After a ferocious 'Tiger Jam' and it's immediate aftermath, Keith introduces a little Latin jazz fusion-sounding motif (16:02). Soon after, he plays it again and Phil then picks up on it. At around 16:42 Phil commences a little solo that reminds me of something that I can't quite place (although it does seem Allmanish), but from 16:51-16:57 it seems as though he could be quoting from 'Little Martha'. And then later, from around 18:47-20:30, they jam on that theme that Phil initially introduced in his solo at 16:42 and it now really reminds me of the Allman's.

I see that I might've overstated the amount of 'Little Martha' here in my earlier post, but I hope what I've written here both helps to clarify what I hear going on and also raise the question of what others think they hear. Also, I'm curious if whatever it is that they're jamming on here (18:47-20:30) has ever appeared elsewhere.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jan 26, 2014 4:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Pet' eras,years, or tours that are somewhat overlooked

Hmm, I think any resemblance to 'Little Martha' is vague & coincidental. Phil's solos mainly remind me of other Phil solos! There are a few little themes he liked to repeat in '72-73.

Beautiful song-like jam at the end, which I couldn't place. Quite frequently in '72, Dark Star or the Other One will end with a "happy" chordal jam that sounds familiar & composed, but I'm not sure any of them actually are. I think the band just had a technique where one or two players would suggest a basic chordal outline, and the others could fill in.
They almost do it again in the 8/22 Other One - at 24:50 after the Tiger, Keith, Weir & Lesh start a nice little pattern, but Garcia just ignores them and it quickly drifts away without being developed.

You might not be wrong in suggesting an Allmans influence, though; I felt that strongly in the 7/25 Other One jam.

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Poster: merryjerry1 Date: Jan 29, 2014 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Pet' eras,years, or tours that are somewhat overlooked

Thanks for checking out that 8/20/72 TOO-- it certainly helps to get as many ears as possible to try and figure out some of these interesting little one-off jams. In fact, it would be nice to have some sort of repository for such one-off, or rarely revisited, jams, although the parameters for choosing which jams to include could prove difficult to delineate. But, for example, while your typical PITB from, let's say, '72-'73 won't be likely to feature such a jam (instead, those Playin' jams are just that, 'Playin' jams'), the Dark Star from 2/24/74 does feature a unique and relatively structured jam right at its conclusion that would merit inclusion. (I'll try to throw the time in a little later.)

Thanks for pointing out that jam near the end of the 8/22/72 TOO; in fact, just before it fizzles out I hear Weir strumming Feelin' Groovy, not the Feelin' Groovy jam so much as the actual tune, albeit slightly odd sounding.

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Poster: jerlouvis Date: Jan 25, 2014 9:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Pet' eras,years, or tours that are somewhat overlooked

merryjerry1 that is a sharp observation on that 8/20 TOO.In the 16th minute Phil,Keith and Billy form a sort of jazz trio and they seem to be playing some Coltrane influenced stuff,but since Duane was very influenced by Coltrane maybe he wrote some music in that vein or possibly Phil did just lift those licks from Little Martha.I'm not equipped with the musical knowledge to comment knowingly.Regardless as you said that is one fierce tiger jam,for me Keith shines on this version of TOO.

I am always willing to throw support to the '72 cause and I will go back and take another run at the 7/26 Dark Star just to see what I hear this time.

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Poster: merryjerry1 Date: Jan 26, 2014 1:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: 'Pet' eras,years, or tours that are somewhat overlooked

Hell, I need to revisit that DS again, too. I just remember liking it, is all. Oh, and it does feature both sets of lyrics, something of a rarity for the time but certainly not why I like it.